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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:32:00 -
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Quote:Morgan Dinn wrote:Well now
Here goes.
Lets say we will build and sell and imaginery tech 2 shuttle that has a material need of 2000 tritanium with perfect ME level. and also lets imagine that trit costs 1 isks.
The lottery was kind for us and we got an BPO for our selfs and we used few million isks to research it to me10 and cause wanted a copy we started invention and got a me-4 BPC after 4 tries so I consumed 4 mech datacores and 4 ship datacores.
Oh yeah I also need some skills.
Took me 15 days to train the production effiency to 5 and ship engineering to 3 so I can make the shuttle. Also I had to train mechanical engineering to 5, ship engineering to 5 and encryptions to 5 which too me another 45 days.
On to the building. I have friend in caldary navy so the station service will be free.
Using the BPO
I had to get 2018 units of tritanium and wait few hours and the ship was done.
This totals to: 2018 units of trit
Using invention
I had to start invention, get 3000 units of tritanium and few other equipment and a lab 4 mechanical engineering datacores and 4 ship engineerin datacores.
This totals to: 3000 units of trit, 4 mech datacores and 4 ship datacores
Now I was wondering... I could sell the ship with 2600 isks. That a around 28% of profit.
Then I realized that I need to sell the other thing also and I can't go lower than 3000 isks cause it cost way more than 3000 to make the thing.
So I this clear enough for you what I'm trying to say and what this is all about.
Tough everything effects everything and demand verus supply effects the prices BUT the BPO owner can ALWAYS undercut the inventors. And what ever you say will no change that. These are the game mechanics. This is how it works atm.
here is a clue:
If its not profitable, why did you invent it?
I have been doing inventions for a few years now:
-Never had an "omg no succes on all my inventions, ccp must have ninja nerfed it" - over 1000s of inventions the averages are solid
-Never had issues with people undercutting me to the point that i didn't make the profit i was going for
-Never had issues selling my ****
-Never ever did i feel competition
-NEVER EVER did i bother to invent something that didn't make a profit
1) Start up a spreadsheet, and work out your profit margins ( nothing you put in is "free because you mined it, got it from someone").
2) Put in the time to do those inventions
3) Put the bpcs in the oven
4) ???
5) Profit
And trust me T2bpo owners are not going to sell their t2bpo produced modules/ammo below your price because its easier to sell, it would cut in their profit aswell.
so please tell me why you are so butthurt.... or are wasting your time crying
On building ships:
without T2 bpos, you will have the same "crap" profits from inventing because it is just to easy to fill up the market, the problem isn't T2 bpos, its not enough ships blowing up - competing with bpo owners or with people who invent- you're not going to make more profit from them.
So this comes down to:
i'm butthurt someone is making profit of ships and damn you all, its not me so i'm mad!
(sounds about right?)
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